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Re: TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update
Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 10:59
by Ranger21
How to update from 6.0.229 on F4-424?
Re: TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update
Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 17:49
by Vaulenst
editsmith wrote: ↑29 Oct 2024, 23:29
Let me share my experience doing that.. TrueNAS Scale (current version) worked really well, fast over Samba.. BUT, and this is a big but, when I tried to do a backup onto my Synology NAS the Samba service (TrueNAS Scale) kept shutting down, a server you can't backup is useless.. I'm now trying Unraid.. after much experimenting to get ZFS setup I have found its slower than TrueNAS Scale but much faster than the current TOS 6.. I can also back it up to the Synology..
To be honest unless you have a lot of experience with these softwares, and a heap of free time, you will find it's a very steep learning curve.. I mean to even do a Rsync backup is a complicated mess.. by the way I have spent 2 weeks on this..
Once they sort the stack issue with TOS 6 I will go back to it, it's a lot easier to use.... but for now I'm running Unraid..it's not ideal but it's the best of a bad batch.. Hopefully TOS is fixed before my 30 day trial runs out!
Hi,
may I ask why you have not considered OMV?
I was thinking to try another os myself, even if my knowledge is really basic; I made a research and this appear the simpler solution to me still supporting everything I need.
Re: TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update
Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 18:33
by editsmith
Vaulenst wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 17:49
Hi,
may I ask why you have not considered OMV?
I was thinking to try another os myself, even if my knowledge is really basic; I made a research and this appear the simpler solution to me still supporting everything I need.
No reason, I just basically got sick of trying NAS software.. maybe give it and go and see if it works for you and let us know.. the easiest I found was Unraid but it has it's quirks and definitely not as fast with SAMBA as TrueNAS CORE
Re: TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update
Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 20:57
by gergoke
Hi,
I experienced the same thing with Unraid. The file copy is not so fast as TrueNAS with Samba. I think the reason is the RAID4 array in Unraid. And the TrueNAS using the whole memory as ZFS cache.
Re: TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 10:43
by editsmith
gergoke wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 20:57
Hi,
I experienced the same thing with Unraid. The file copy is not so fast as TrueNAS with Samba. I think the reason is the RAID4 array in Unraid. And the TrueNAS using the whole memory as ZFS cache.
It's definitely slower and I used ZFS on Unraid as well.. I think you maybe right I had to amend the memory usage for ZFS on raid to 8gigs of the total 16 and it was still slow.. on TrueNAS it uses nearly all the 16gig for ZFS.
TrueNAS Electric Eel has been released from Beta so trying that to see if the SAMBA shutdown issues are gone
Re: TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update
Posted: 01 Nov 2024, 20:03
by DBa
editsmith wrote: ↑29 Oct 2024, 23:29
DBa wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 17:44
My problem was resolved - not by TM support, that is - by someone who provided a 6.0.4xx package, which from then on updated itself to 6.0.519. I am seriously considering moving on to TrueNAS/Unraid/DSM now.
Let me share my experience doing that.. TrueNAS Scale (current version) worked really well, fast over Samba.. BUT, and this is a big but, when I tried to do a backup onto my Synology NAS the Samba service (TrueNAS Scale) kept shutting down, a server you can't backup is useless.. I'm now trying Unraid.. after much experimenting to get ZFS setup I have found its slower than TrueNAS Scale but much faster than the current TOS 6.. I can also back it up to the Synology..
To be honest unless you have a lot of experience with these softwares, and a heap of free time, you will find it's a very steep learning curve.. I mean to even do a Rsync backup is a complicated mess.. by the way I have spent 2 weeks on this..
Once they sort the stack issue with TOS 6 I will go back to it, it's a lot easier to use.... but for now I'm running Unraid..it's not ideal but it's the best of a bad batch.. Hopefully TOS is fixed before my 30 day trial runs out!
To be honest, the idea of buying a pre-built RAID vs. getting a barebone PC and putting its disks into a RAID is "no tinkering". But on the other hand, I am a skilled IT professional, so tinkering with software does not exactly frighten me. On yet another hand, I am under no circumstances willing to accept the treatment I've been receiving so far from TM - and I am very close to saying "I've had enough, Amazon please refund me". My personal favorite so far was "In order to re-enable NFS, you need to reinstall TOS from scratch" - this was the suggestion from TM support.
I've heard DSM been working well on T4-423, but don't have the time to try it out right now.
On the positive side, I've been able to get Traefik up and running, with the hardware not being hammered.
Re: TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update
Posted: 01 Nov 2024, 23:59
by awl29
Would everybody in this thread please concentrate on being a pain in the neck of TerraMaster Engineering instead of discussing alternative NAS OSes (which clearly is not my preferred solution!):
* What about the fix for the SMB slowness (with a huge number of relatively small files)? In case you have you indeed determined the root cause (have you?), then why is it taking this long to release the fix?
* When will the TOS 6.0.x releases be also available for devices released with TOS 5.1?
Many thanks!
awl29
Re: TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update
Posted: 02 Nov 2024, 02:55
by Gremlin
awl29 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2024, 23:59
Not your thread.
Re: TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update
Posted: 02 Nov 2024, 07:23
by awl29
Gremlin wrote: ↑02 Nov 2024, 02:55
Not your thread.
But yours!? It's TerraMaster's thread about ´(citing the subject) "
TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update" and everything around this update...
So imho its issues around SMB and getting this fixed by TM are on-topic, discussing other NAS OSes is rather off-topic. Just my 2 cents of course...
Re: TOS 6.0.519 (X86) is Released for Update
Posted: 02 Nov 2024, 07:27
by crisisacting
awl29 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2024, 23:59
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When will the TOS 6.0.x releases be also available for devices released with TOS 5.1?
TerraMaster shifted away from buildroot which all previous builds used, to now using a kernel that's more Ubuntu adjacent, which complicates offering a simple upgrade path from earlier builds.
Clean install (
.ins) releases should have already been available (that's how it was with all major builds) when it was out of beta, however that didn't occur, likely for the above reasons & maybe others that they aren't be transparent about, publicly.
If they are being cautious, then most here are probably comfortable waiting, rather than having to put their data at risk or go through multiple backup & restore cycles.